MKS 有人用 MKS 么?

zyinghai@gmail.com · 2009年10月20日 · 1 次阅读

小弟不才,在 MKS 工作,上班没式胡乱搜索,竟然发现了这个论坛。 国内真的用人用 MKS Integrity 么?

不过说实话,个人觉得,MKS Source 要跟 Integrity 一起使用,才能发挥出最大效率。不知道大家是只用 SI 还是 IM 一起,最新的产品加入了需求管理和测试管理的功能,命令也增加了 RM 跟 TM

在 MKS 公司工作?工作地点在哪里?

MKS 在国内有哪些客户自己应该清楚啊……

i 子休 于 2009-10-21 10:14 发表
MKS 在国内有哪些客户自己应该清楚啊…… [/quote] 顶,虽然具体客户可能不知道,但是客户多不多,主要分布在哪里还应该知道的。

有的公司是总部采购的,国内的分公司用。

在加拿大的 Waterloo 啊。 我是做技术工作的阿,具体负责系统性能分析。所以具体的客户不清楚,但是 公司开会还是略有所闻,但是都是 HSBC,RIM,JAL,Motorola 这些大公司。 国内的市场,好像都是国内的代理帮着卖,MKS 现在还没有正式进入国内的市场,主要分公司分布在欧洲跟北美,亚太有一个新加坡的公司,主要针对日本市场。 公司里面中国人就 4,5 个,而且都是技术方面的。直接在中国销售还太吃力。

相比 clearcase, perforce, accurev, starteam 等等,你觉得 MKS 有啥优势?

不用一条一条的说,说说你自己的感觉吧,来个横向比较下

我觉得最大的区别,是定位不同吧,MKS 已经不是单纯的 SCM 软件了。只是其中一部分,我们公司内部用得更多的是作为需求分析,缺陷管理,项目管理,测试管理,开发资源管理,任务分配,还有各种报表的生成,版本管理已经变成很小的一部分了。

所以,不太容易根上述的这些产品来比较,比如 RIM(黑草莓) 之前的配置,是用 perfoce 做版本管理,DevTrack 做缺陷管理,测试案例和结果记录好像是用 Excel,需求分析貌似用 Word.如今用一个系统解决了问题。

所以,我觉得横向比较的话,应该是 MKS Integrity 跟 Perforce+DevTrac+HP Quality Center 等等比较,但是多系统集成又是另外一个麻烦的事情。

所以不太好比较。MKS 更注重 ALM,SCM 只是有机结合的一部分。

[[i] 本帖最后由 hisea 于 2009-10-22 04:08 编辑 ]

Moto 都用 Clearcase 了吧?国内我只知道有两家在用 MKS,其他就不知道了,貌似欧洲用的比较多。

同时,如果您有时间,欢迎您来申请 MKS 版版主,谢谢

美国的摩托罗拉用 MKS 做需求管理,欧洲很多公司也类似,比如奥迪,他们主要是用来管理需求,对源码的管理相对来说需要比较低。

这就去申请

如果单纯是 Source 来说的话,我觉得优势还真不是很大,主要是价格,其他的比较有竞争力,功能上差距也很小。

hisea 于 2009-10-22 21:54 发表
美国的摩托罗拉用 MKS 做需求管理,欧洲很多公司也类似,比如奥迪,他们主要是用来管理需求,对源码的管理相对来说需要比较低。

这就去申请 [/quote] 对啊,现在集成到一起才能形成一个解决方案,就象你上面提到的 perforce+devtrack+HP Quality Center...... clearcase+clearrequest+Rational RequisitePro ......

对,MKS 产品的最大优势就是从头到尾的解决方案都已经集成好了,而且定制能力比较强,用户对整个系统和工作流管理有完全的定制能力。所以应用领域也比较广。

嗯,集成到一起的系统功用就体现得更大。

但是国内用 MKS 的都是一套 ALM 都购买的么?貌似一套 ALM 全购买的也不是很多。 我们公司目前只用了 MKS integrity,其它的也没买。

我觉得语言问题可能是最妨碍 MKS ALM 在国内推广的因素,本身定制性高,于是文档与概念性的东西就很多,需要研究一下才能结合自身需求定制一套有效的工作流,这本身对讲英语的外国人来说,都是一项挑战,一般都是由 BA(Business Analyst) 完成,所以在国内想要大面积推广,国内的客户估计还需要外界的帮助。

我自己觉得可能有以下几条原因: 1) 售前支持这块没有做出影响力。一个比较典型的例子就是 IBM rational 的 clearcase,clearquest,这些不但 IBM 每年举行 Rational 大会推广,自己还要开一些讲座,培训等等进行推广。而 MKS 这块在中国几乎没的声音。要不是我这家公司在用,我真不知道 MKS 到底是个什么样子,以前也只是听说过这么个东西。 2) 售后支持这块,刚才你也说了 MKS 是国内的代理卖,代理只管卖,但是他们肯定也不会花很大的力气去宣传的,卖出去之后肯定也不会总走访客户,提供一些培训等等。 3) 国内的大公司用 MKS 的,一般都是总部买了,自己拿过来用。真要是让小公司自己去选择,我估计多数会选择 subversion 等开源免费的工具。 至于国内的大公司,垄断性行业,这些都不差钱的,IBM 又很重视,所以 Rational 所占的份额相当的大。

至于你说的语言问题。。。。现在早已经不是问题了。都什么年代了,还提语言问题。 文档,概念,定制性高等等也不是问题,Rational clearcase 都蹩脚到那种程度了,国内很多大公司不还用的很 happy。现在不是关心国内公司怎么用的问题,更应该关注一下让国内的人都知道有这么个东西,让大家去尝试的用用。国内 clearcase 都已经占有很大的份额了,尤其是中高端客户.看看目前 clearcase 和 MKS 的用户数量,就是一个很好的例子。

ps:IBM 有专门的 consultant 去专门给客户做定制,做咨询,做二次开发。

可能说的不对,还望海涵啊

虽然 ALM 是现在的发展方向,IBM、MKS、CollabNet 都在做

但我怀疑什么样的公司会去买一整套的 ALM,采购、升级、维护成本都那么高的

还要看这一整套 ALM 到底有哪些部分可能为公司产生价值和利润

恩,MKS 目前只是个小公司,没有在开发国内市场,目前只是专注于世界 1000 强的公司,还没有发展到 IBM 那种可以去国内订制案例的规模。 所以国内没人用也不奇怪了

哦 MKS 哪年建立的?目前公司有多少人啊?

其实也不用专门为公司定制,只要你把东西早早推广,让大家认识认识,试用试用就可以了。但是目前在国内都没的一点 MKS 的声音,应该多推广一下。

1984 年建立的,但目前的产品线是 2000 年左右开始的,目前全球员工大概 400-500 人左右,总部共约 250 人。

在什么市场推广,由高层决堤定,我个人觉得,是因为目前还根本没有实力在国内推广。 中国人就 5 个,全都是技术方面的,如果要在国内推广,财力人力投资过大,而且没有可信任的中国地区主管,管理层难以掌控局势。

希望你作为 MKS 的人要经常莅临本版哦。。。。多给我们普及些 MKS 方面的东西。

这里以后就会成为 MKS 驻亚洲研发支持中心,呵呵

呵呵,会的,我每天都来看得。

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HSBC

"We looked at the market extensively for a solution to manage our requirements and it became very clear that only one solution provided a complete integration with our development and test environments, and this was MKS Integrity. Now, with MKS Integrity 2007, we have the ability to not only integrate all requirements right to down to the source code, and across to quality management, but also have the capability to represent these requirements as interrelated items in an easy to manage document, complete with rich text and other document management features." Tom Clark, Head of Quality Implementation, HSBC plc.

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"Unifying the test process function into the overall application lifecycle is a key differentiating ability provided by MKS. When information resides in various point tools, the result is fragmented, disconnected information flow which we believe is a significant barrier to productivity and innovation. MKS's unified lifecycle approach frees our organization to collaborate effectively and respond quickly." Frank Gauld, VP, Global Software Engineering, NCR Financial Services Division.

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"Xenos delivers a range of enterprise-class data and document management solutions to Global 2000 and midsize companies around the world. We rely on MKS Integrity to help us maintain control over our source code across multiple product lines in a centralized repository, in a way that matches the dynamic needs and processes of our development teams. We have been a satisfied MKS customer for years and look forward to continuing this very positive relationship." Raymond Cheong, Director, Information Solutions, Xenos Group Inc.

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